Status: U Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.170]) by farley.mail.mindspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with SMTP id t74mi7.69s7.37kbi1c for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:19:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010127051901.6730.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.197.192] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:19:01 PST Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:19:01 -0800 (PST) From: MPCgram Subject: MPC Gram 237 To: mpcgram@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ==================================================== MPC Gram ==================================================== Covering the Entire World of Military Numismatics ---------------------------------------------------- Series 002-Number 237 Saturday 27 January 2001 More on Margaretville by Trevor Wilkins Enjoyed your Gram about Margaretville. All the way from Sydney Australia - not Sidney New York! - I have been to Margaretville a couple of times in the last 5 years - and other places such as Delhi, Cairo, New Berlin, Frankfort, Potsdam and yes, Philadelphia NY which are dotted amongst the New York landscape not to mention tongue twisters such as Canajoharie and Schenectady. These make Australia's Woolloomooloo and Murrumburrah downright easy. I also made Kingston once or twice stopping off at Educational Coin Company when they were based there. I may not be very popular with the people in Margaretville as the Australian bank I work for lent a whole lot of money ( through its New York office) to a company called Victory Markets Inc which operated grocery stores under the Great American banner throughout NY. Well Victory went into Chapter 11 in 1995 and sorting out the mess became my responsibility for my bank. As a result I have had about 10 trips to New York City and upstate driving around the state in all types of weather looking at the 75 sites which the company had when it entered Chapter 11 and reviewing their business operations, assessing their viability, which is closed, sold etc etc. For someone who is not used to a temperature below 45F, I avoided Dec - Feb where possible but nevertheless experienced lots of snow,ice . Was caught in an ice storm in Watertown one trip which is memorable for me. Sometime in 1998, I recall, we shut down the Margaretville store. These trips have consumed about 8 months of my life in the past 5 years or so. This chapter, no pun intended, has closed for me now and as far as the bank is concerned we pretty much had a successful workout and many of the businesses have survived albeit under a different structure. The downside is I no longer have the benefit of someone paying me to fly around the world.( I also managed the bad loan book out of London - England that is - but alas I've worked that out too.) Still I have a table at Memphis Paper Money Show again this year and look forward to catching you and other Gram recipients then. [Ah, they told me about you when I was there, but I did not know who it was! I suppose that you were responsible for closing down the library! Editor] ==================================================== Ediorial ---------------------------------------------------- The response on the format for the MPC listings broke the record for response set only a few weeks ago. The majority seem to prefer the second style with regulars and replacements for each issue grouped together. That is what I anticipated and the way that I am leaning at the moment. =================================================== Mail Call --------------------------------------------------- Dear Gram, I like your 2nd draft: regulars first then replacements second. How do I bring up the chat line?? ED H Howdy Gramsters, 1. For those Gramsters near Monterey, CA, the Drake Estate will be open during the Superbowl. The best feature is a long eight foot table to spread out your mpc collection for dealing during the game. PH 831-384-0444. 2. Book suggestion: Series Note Amt Printing SNxx to SNxx vg f vf xf au cu 661 $10 1st values 661 $10 repl(25) 1st values The key with the replacements is to know the number known of each type and printing. Also suggest that all regular issues are listed first and then list all the replacements. To me, it's easier not to have to go back and forth between regular and replacemnet issues every other line. Regards, webfootbob Dear Web, Sounds like a great time. Hm, priceline.com might get me there... Does Mrs Web know about this? Editor Dear Editor, The second variation (with the replacements listed after the regular issues) seems to be easier to use. Larry G Hello Fred. I generally like your scheme for dealing with the several printings and the replacement notes. I sure hesitate to presume th have any expertise beyond that of the distinguisher panel who held you 'til you got it right. Since you asked, a couple of thoughts, though. (don't they always say that?). 1. Set up the Series number, Number printed, and begin/end SN's as a header for each series like: SERIES 641 $5 (# printed= 6,800,000, begin SN= 00000001, end SN= 6000000) 2. I personally like your first approach where you worked out a printing before introducing another printing. I am not that bothered by the serial number progressions; I more like the completion of the specific denomination/printing so I can move on to the next one as a unique item. Remember, however, I was in the "Military Intelligence" business and look where that got us Anyway it goes like: 886/1 886/1r 886/2 886/2r etc. 3. It might also be useful (especially for the novice reader-collector) to indicate at the series line how many printings we can expect to find following: SERIES 641 $5 Three printings (# printed= 6,800,000, begin SN= 00000001, end SN= 6000000) 4. So, with very minor modifications, a series block as you present it would look like (please note the numbers are yours AND my made -up ones): SERIES 641 $5 Three printings (# printed= 6,800,000, begin SN= 00000001, end SN=6000000) 5. A single printing series would so state in the heading: SERIES 641 $5 One Printing 6. in a multiple printing series, like SERIES 521, where a specific denomination was not printed in one or more of the printings, the separate denomination groupings that you appear to be tending toward would make it quite easy to just state something like: 946/1 00000000000000000000000000 946/1r 000000000000000000000 946/2 000000000000000000000000 946/2r 00000000000000000000000000 946/3 None Printed 946/3r None Printed 7. I really have not looked at or thought out how you approach the series that were not really issued. As I remember what I have seen, they have been treated just as any other series except that the non-issue has been stated. I, for one, favor listing them in series order and making any caveats you need. One other thought. In the series header line, do you tell people the SN range and numbers for the replacement notes? If yes, I suggest putting it on a second line directly below numbers for non-replacement notes. As: SERIES 641 $5 Three printings (# printed= 6,800,000, begin SN= 00000001, endSN= 6000000). (Replacements: Number printed= 1,200,000. Begin SN= 00,000,000, end= 1,200,000). Finally, It would be very interesting to see what the entire listing for a single-printing series and for a multiple-printing series would look like. Perhaps you would share that when ready? Thanks for asking what we think. It is unusual that the "expert" does that. Then, you are unusual and that is what makes you Fred Schwan. rusty Dear Editor, I think that the second way you listed them might be better and easer to use. After all not every collecter of MPC collects replacements. Making them a listing all of their own makes sense. Paymaster Dear PM, What do you mean that everyone does not collect replacements? Editor Phread (Fred): I like your second choice (pertaining to the note listings). Simple to read and understand. Just curious, how hard is it to find quick/easy transportation for a quick trip to Canada from Port Clinton? (never been to Canada). PK Dear P, Thanks for the opinion. Canada is a 2 hour drive. For the future we might make a field trip there as part of the fest (if I can figure out a reason beyond spending the evening in a casino.) Fred Dear Editor, Personally I would prefer seeing the 2nd style, listing regulars together and then replacements together- it's much easier to compare and, as you said, the serial numbers follow much more smoothly. When is the book scheduled to be ready? Neil S. Dear Neil, Schedule, schedule?! Why didn't I think of that? Fred =================================================== Departments --------------------------------------------------- WWII numismatics seminar at ANA Summer Seminar 2001 --------------------------------------------------- Not only does the scholarship fund have an official identity but also has a bank account! Any further donations should be paid to the order of "Military Numismatists Scholarship" and sent to: Military Numismatists c/o Marcus Turner 8103 East US Highway 36 Suite 163 Avon, IN 46123 THE UPDATED LIST OF SCHOLARSHIP BENEFACTORS 1/21/01. These folks have generously provided money or material to finance scholarships to the ANA WWII Numismatics seminar. Your contributions will help promote collecting WWII material and be greatly appreciated. Mr. Anonymous Donor Mike Cummings Ed B. Doug Bell R. A. Medina Harold MPCKid Kroll Leo "Paymaster" May Bill McNease Marcus Turner Larry Ski Fred PK6 Joel Shafer World Wide Ventures John & Nancy Wilson Neil Shafer ----------------------------------------------------- MPC Fest II ----------------------------------------------------- MPC Fest is the annual feast of MPC. After some difficulties of coordination we have not changed the dates and tentatively scheduled 9-11 March 2001 for MPC Fest II. Confirmed participants in MPC Fest II Doug Bell Bill McNease Al Glaser Phil Goldstein Harold Kroll Ian Marshall Larry Smulczenski Leo May Kevin Maloy Marv Mericle Bruce Potter David Seelye Nick Shrier Fred Schwan Dan Swartz Warner Talso (and Jane) Marcus Turner (We are well past last year's participation level. Can we double it, triple it, more?) If you have made a reservation and your name does not appear above, please contact the gram immediately (MPCgram@yahoo.com). Tentative schedule as of 15 January 2001 Friday March 8 1500-1900 Arrivals at Comfort Inn 1900-2030 no host dinner at Cisco and Charlies 2030-2300 bull session at Comfort Inn 2400 lights out Saturday breakfast at Comfort Inn 0730-0845 breakfast at Service Club 0900-1000 equipment issue (supply sergeant) 1000-1100 pay operations (pay master) 1100-1230 show and tell, session I 1230-1330 pizza party at Service Club (mess sergeant) 1330-1800 swap session (dealer surcharge, TBD) 1800-1930 spaghetti dinner at Service Club (mess sergeant) 1930-2030 secret operations 2000-2345 commemorative poker game at Comfort Inn 2200 MPC chat (simultaneous with poker game) 2400 lights out Sunday 0830-0900 breakfast at Service Club 0900-1000 research updates 1000-1230 show and tell 1230-1330 lunch at Service Club 1300-1500 field trip to WWII POW camp 1530 closing ceremonies Monday (optional, weather permitting) 0600-0630 breakfast at Service Club 0700-1400 Walleye fishing trip Remarks: registration is $139 per person. 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